Published on April 12, 2007 By averjoe In Current Events
Part shock jock (highly irreverent and comedic radio DJ) and serious news radio DJ Don Imus was recently suspended for two weeks from his job and the simulcast of his radio program on the MSNBC network was cancelled because he called the players of the Rutgers University predominately African-American woman’s basketball team “tattooed… nappy-haired hoes”.

The outrage over these statements grew the days after Imus expressed his opinion about the young women of the Rutgers and Tennessee women’s basketball teams that were playing in the NCAA championship.

The description Imus used for these women was insulting and out of line and he should have been punished and voluntarily apologized for making such a statement.

Imus (and some of his producers) seem to have a long history (Imus has been on radio for over 30 yrs.) of being highly insulting to the African-American community (and many other minority groups in the US), so much so that what he consider as shock jock humor appears to be a more deeply held personal racism (and sexism).

This view of Imus as a racist and sexist is offset by his many charitable activities that seem to be forthcoming to all those that suffer some misfortune (such as childhood cancer or war wounded).

Whether Imus is a sixty-five year old white racist, just a good guy who misspoke, or a radio DJ trying to be an outrageous shock jock, I don’t believe he should be fired for this incident.

I believe strongly in freedom of speech even for vile racist and sexist, so I support Imus not because I like him (I never listened to his radio broadcast and only occasionally watched the simulcast MSNBC program when he interviewed someone I was interested in) or think he did not do anything wrong, but because freedom of speech is so very important.

Freedom must be maintained and part of being free means having freedom of speech. The human condition will never be understood if human expression in any of its forms is overly restricted.

The censuring of Imus could lead to an assault against all irreverent or so-called politically incorrect humor. The question is who is going to decide what is irreverent or politically incorrect?

One may be happy that someone that one disagreed with and thought was vile was removed from the air, but what if someone you thought was not vile was removed from the air.

There is a lot of racism and sexism (this is why Barak Obama cannot win the presidency at this date and Hillary Clinton would have an extremely tough time winning the presidency) in America and probably a large percentage of Imus’s audience are racist and/or sexist, which would partly explain his large radio audience (one of the largest in free radio – Howard Stern, the king of shock jocks has a significantly smaller audience since going to satellite radio).

Of course, businesses have the right to pay for the talent that they desire. They can hire or fire whomever they want to. Most business decisions are determined by forces in the “marketplace” (whether someone makes money for a company or not).

In many instances, a company’s public image will determine how it does in the marketplace; so public image is a factor some companies consider too.

Anyway, Imus (and a producer or two) may be racist and sexist but freedom of speech and an understanding of the human condition are so important that we should not so easily tread on them.


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on Apr 13, 2007
But (I'm guessing) you also don't live in the black community. When I travel to another cith there is usually at least one black radio station in and more than likely it has the Tom Joyner Morning Show.


Actually, I do - but I must profess ignorance as I dont listen to music radio as my tastes go back to the 60s and 70s.
on Apr 13, 2007
Then you would love Tom Joyner. He's old school.
on Apr 13, 2007

Please don't make this a 'black people get away with everything and white people are the victims' type thing. That's culture. It goes both ways. Let's see how love a black person would live if he were to go into Little Italy and utter Italian slurs. Yet the people who live there utter the same things at each other all day long. Yes, all races need to stop being racist, but don't make white people to be the true victim of racism. That, my friend, is wrong.

I am sorry, but you are the one *assuming* that I was making it out to be about just Black people.  Read this statement again: "Words are words and they should be viewed the same no matter who is uttering them".  That is a universal statement.  If you are black, white, orange or green, the words should mean the same.

And, did you even bother to read the last line?: "If we ever want to get past race, then *all* races need to quit being racist."

But, if you want to assume that everybody is speaking just in terms of black and white, then you are just part of the problem.

on Apr 13, 2007
But, if you want to assume that everybody is speaking just in terms of black and white, then you are just part of the problem.


Read my post carefully. It speaks of more than just black and white. Can you redefine you comment on a double standard? Was that not directed at minorities? What's the double standard? I am sorry to have made you angry, I just reading what you wrote and responding. I agreed with your last line. That's in my post. But it sounds from your 'double standard' line that Imus is a victim of inequality in this country. Did I misread your 'double standard'?

on Apr 13, 2007
on Apr 13, 2007
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on Apr 13, 2007
So he called them a bunch of nappy headed hos. And? Do you think there would have been anything like this reaction if he'd referred to them as a buch of redneck whitetrash sluts?

So maybe they aren't nappy headed hos (most of them). But if they're as traumatised and damaged by this incident as the mewling idiots at their school make out, the ones who turned this from a molehill of personal opinion into a mountain of national scandal, then what they are is deficient, oversensitive, immature people. If anyone should be sacked it's the PC-parroting President of Rutgers, and the over-emoting drama queen of a Coach.

If these pampered brats were adults instead of overly-sensitive children then they would have given Imus' tasteless comments the only reaction they deserved: complete silence. Imus is a shock-jock. What else can you expect from him except the offensive and politically incorrect? That's what they pay him to do.
on Apr 13, 2007
So he called them a bunch of nappy headed hos. And? Do you think there would have been anything like this reaction if he'd referred to them as a buch of redneck whitetrash sluts?So maybe they aren't nappy headed hos (most of them). But if they're as traumatised and damaged by this incident as the mewling idiots at their school make out, the ones who turned this from a molehill of personal opinion into a mountain of national scandal, then what they are is deficient, oversensitive, immature people. If anyone should be sacked it's the PC-parroting President of Rutgers, and the over-emoting drama queen of a Coach.If these pampered brats were adults instead of overly-sensitive children then they would have given Imus' tasteless comments the only reaction they deserved: complete silence. Imus is a shock-jock. What else can you expect from him except the offensive and politically incorrect? That's what they pay him to do.


???

So is Imus the real victim? Is he the victim of someone expressing their offense at unprovoked tasteless comments? Do they not have the same free speech that he has? Or is Imus the only one allowed to say how he feels into a mic? Gimmie break. From the language you use, you seem to be a bit offended by the hype. Does that make you immature or pampered as well?
on Apr 13, 2007
If these pampered brats were adults instead of overly-sensitive children then they would have given Imus' tasteless comments the only reaction they deserved:


Not if you are planning on leaving room for a law suit. Think about it. Scared for life? How else would you leave the door open to pay for college without having to graduate first? Do you think that CBS, or MSNBC would take this to court? That will look good in the press. They will settle as quietly as they can. Tell me if you ran CBS you would not provide "grants" to the entire team that covered all four years and maybe post grad as well. The girls accept the appoligy Imus gets the boot and it will cost less than the millions of dollars that would be spent on lawyers court costs and payment after they lose. Plus the bad press loss of Ad money and the list goes on. Pay the nappy headed people their money and smile. Imus got fired but I am willing to bet they payed off his contract which was multi years at I think 40 million a year. He gets a job on some satilite service then retires. The only thing lost is money and egos. After the Duke mess there is no way the girls will lose in court.
on Apr 14, 2007
Imus (and a producer or two) may be racist and sexist but freedom of speech and an understanding of the human condition are so important that we should not so easily tread on them.

On face value, this arguement is so convincing to the point it is now a satndard response i hear every time something like this happens. I think the saying :"you repeat a lie so many times and after a while people will believe it is true".

What many forget (may be dont even realize) is that there is such a thing called "opinion" and another thing called "insult". Expressing an opinion is what is protected as free speech, insults are not. Not only that they are, or should be, punishable.

If Imus had expressed the opinion that the Rutgers' players are lousy athletes, dont know a thing about Basketball and they dont deserve to be even in the finals, no one would have ever attacked him for being insulting to them. he would have been just expressing his opinion , as uninformed as it would have been. May be many would have attacked him for knowing nothing about the game or being biased against NJ and its university's team. But that would have been a completely different debate and the whole thing would have been ignored 10 minutes after it was said.

This was not the case, however. He,and his producer, personally identified the girls on the team as a specific kind of women. which happens to be 1- untrue, 2- Very low-life type of women and 3- ugly-looking women because of a natural trait in their hair.

That is not an opinion, that is a very serious and demeaning insult and in particular to women. what is lower than to call a woman an ungly whore? i really cant think of a more insulting terms for women. Can anyone?

what makes that insult more insulting is that it was directed at a group of young "Girls" on a team of a very respected institution who unexpectedly achieved so much on the basketball court. Moreover, they were excellent student to boot.

How unfortunate for Mr. Imus. He tripped big time on his own tongue. I nevr liked him or his program, i just hate watching people get theselves in trouble this way. i would rather see him changing himself and his program than just disappear.

I dont think his firing achieve anything more than his suspensuion. I think he should have been suspended, given a FINAL warning and an ORDER to change the tone and format of his program. If he had accepted, fine. If he gad refused then his firing would have been justified. I dont think he would have refused.

But i guess the Market-Place spoke loudly and faster than anyone in the networks world can think.
on Apr 14, 2007
Imus (and a producer or two) may be racist and sexist but freedom of speech and an understanding of the human condition are so important that we should not so easily tread on them.

On face value, this arguement is so convincing to the point it is now a satndard response i hear every time something like this happens. I think the saying :"you repeat a lie so many times and after a while people will believe it is true".

What many forget (may be dont even realize) is that there is such a thing called "opinion" and another thing called "insult". Expressing an opinion is what is protected as free speech, insults are not. Not only that they are, or should be, punishable.


Um, yes they are. In the USA, you don't have the right NOT to be offended. Offensive, distastful speech IS protected...nice try.

This was not the case, however. He,and his producer, personally identified the girls on the team as a specific kind of women. which happens to be 1- untrue, 2- Very low-life type of women and 3- ugly-looking women because of a natural trait in their hair.


What about Chris Rock (who I like)? He does racial, insulting humor all day long? That's one of many examples...hiphop/rap, etc

That is not an opinion, that is a very serious and demeaning insult and in particular to women. what is lower than to call a woman an ungly whore? i really cant think of a more insulting terms for women. Can anyone?


It's still not illegal. You are making ignorant statements about free speech.
Again; distasteful, ugly demeaning speech IS protected by the constitution. What if a politician found YOUR opinions of him ugly and insulting? Can he now get you fired, Genius?

what makes that insult more insulting is that it was directed at a group of young "Girls" on a team of a very respected institution who unexpectedly achieved so much on the basketball court. Moreover, they were excellent student to boot.


Utterly irrelevent.

How unfortunate for Mr. Imus. He tripped big time on his own tongue. I nevr liked him or his program, i just hate watching people get theselves in trouble this way. i would rather see him changing himself and his program than just disappear.

I dont think his firing achieve anything more than his suspensuion. I think he should have been suspended, given a FINAL warning and an ORDER to change the tone and format of his program. If he had accepted, fine. If he gad refused then his firing would have been justified. I dont think he would have refused.

But i guess the Market-Place spoke loudly and faster than anyone in the networks world can think.


Why aren't you railing against hip-hop, Richard Pryor, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, etc?

on Apr 14, 2007

Why aren't you railing against hip-hop, Richard Pryor,

Maybe because he is dead.

on Apr 14, 2007
I don't see how this has anything to do with free speech. The first amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see anything in that statement having to do with a company firing an employee for making public statements that they didn't agree with.
on Apr 14, 2007
Dr. Guy is funny.

Skyjack, tell me where it says we don't have the right to be offended? Did you make that up, Mr. Smarty Pants? Why so angry? Did smart people hurt you? You seem offended so surely you must think you have the right to be, right? Chill out.

Thinkaloud makes good points. Imus' insults are protected under free speech, but we don't have to listen to it, support stations that air it or buy products from sponsors of it. Do you, Skyjack, think we don't have that right? Do we need to open our social studies books again?

on Apr 15, 2007
You are making ignorant statements about free speech.


I am the ignorant one?

If i say a certain woman is a whore and she sues me for libel because my false statement tarnished her reputation and ruined her creer, i would win? and she loses?

did you hear about all these law suits against the tabloids and how some are very successful? and i am the ignorant one.

Amazing ....... this blogging business uncovers amazing things and mentalities in our great usa.

insulting lies are free speech? great ..... with civilized society like that ..... who needs barabrism or the jungle?

ooh now i see. insulting lies are different from insults. great semantic discussion here. whatever you call IT, it is not protected by free speech. you will see soon. They are going to sue him.
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